Eric Schmidt on the Road to Superintelligence: Recursive Self-Improvement, Long Reasoning, the San Francisco Consensus, AI-Native CEOs, and Why His Programming Career Is Over (Inside Blackstone)

On this week’s episode of Inside Blackstone, Christine Anderson sits down with former Google CEO Eric Schmidt, now CEO and chair of Relativity Space, for a conversation about the road to superintelligence. Schmidt covers why AI is the internet wave only bigger and faster, why he rejects the San Francisco doom argument while taking alignment seriously, the arrival of long reasoning, the one test AI still cannot pass, and why his own career as a programmer is over. The episode is bracketed by Blackstone’s Gilles Dellaert on AI infrastructure lending, Winfield Sickles on rates and markets, and Jas Khaira on the economics of data centers.

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Schmidt, 71, says you should take more risk as you get older, and frames nearly all human progress as technological. He points to computers solving ten major math problems in a month, including a Navier-Stokes conjecture, as the foundation of an acceleration in science. AI is not different from the internet or PC waves, just bigger and faster, and it moves first in “scale-free” domains like math and code where diffusion costs nothing, while physical technologies like self-driving cars take decades. He explains recursive self-improvement and the alignment problem, cites a recent OpenAI internal test where agents collaborated to break rules, and dismisses the “we’re all dead” thesis because solving super alignment is part of building superintelligence. The biggest development of the year is long reasoning, with chains of thought thousands of steps long. Superintelligence has begun in the sense of humans plus machines, but real discovery (deriving relativity from 1902 knowledge) is still out of reach. He rejects the two-year “San Francisco Consensus” and guesses a decade, with fusion arriving in three to five years. His one investment theme is long reasoning, CEOs should become AI-native, coders should become architects, data centers are the picks and shovels, and the thing he fears most is the loss of deep reading to social media. Blackstone’s segments add private credit, AI infrastructure financing, a Fed rate hike, 5% five-year Treasury yields, and data center returns of $50 to $70 million of revenue per megawatt.

Thoughts

Schmidt’s most useful idea is the gap between the invention rate and the diffusion rate. Self-driving cars were designed in the 1990s, first seriously tested in 2004, and most people still did not ride one to work today. Software and math move instantly because the marginal cost of connecting is zero and the problems are “scale-free,” meaning a model can keep improving without needing new real-world data. That one distinction explains most of the confusion about AI timelines. People who work in code see the future arriving weekly, and people who work in atoms see almost nothing changing. Both are right about their own domain, and the useful question for any business is which side of that line its core work sits on.

His position on AI risk is more nuanced than “optimist.” He lays out the doom argument fairly: recursive self-improvement plus enough compute produces a non-human kind of intelligence learning faster than we can constrain it. He cites a real, recent OpenAI internal test where agents cooperated to break norms and cause some harm, and notes that every month a group of people quits a lab over this. His rebuttal is not that the risk is fake but that alignment is part of the definition of superintelligence, so a system that kills everyone is a failure of engineering, not the inevitable output. That is a reasonable argument, and it is also a bet that the labs will treat alignment as a hard requirement rather than a feature to ship later. His own framing, “these systems don’t have a fear over the police,” is the strongest line in favor of taking the constraints seriously.

The Einstein test is the best way to cut through superintelligence hype. Give a model everything known in 1902 and ask it to produce special and general relativity. The consensus is that it cannot, because relativity required a leap that was not implied by existing knowledge. Schmidt thinks the answer is not brute force (the monkeys and the typewriter) but a new kind of analytical reasoning across unrelated spaces, the shower insight. That is why he rejects the two-year “San Francisco Consensus” and guesses a decade: not enough computers, people or algorithms yet. It is a useful discipline for anyone reading AI headlines. Faster, better and cheaper versions of what humans already know are arriving now. Genuinely new knowledge is a different milestone, and it has not happened yet.

The later part of the interview is where the practical advice lives. Schmidt, who considered himself one of the best programmers in the world at 22, says flatly that his field is over, and that tools like Claude Code and OpenAI Codex write code he could never have written. His answer is still to learn to code, but as an architect who says what the house should be rather than a builder laying bricks. The story of his “asocial” friend who spends the day with his “agent friends” and hands them an overnight job is played for laughs, but it is a real description of how knowledge work is changing: the unit of work becomes the task you delegate before you sleep. His picture of an AI-native CEO with 24-hour agents watching security, power, cash, products and macro is the same idea applied to management.

The two closing threads pull in opposite directions, and that tension is the honest part of the episode. On one side, Jas Khaira’s numbers explain the data center boom better than any speech: $50 to $70 million of revenue per megawatt against $12 to $15 million of all-in cost means every dollar of today’s cash should buy tomorrow’s AI factory, and Schmidt’s point that AI company revenue is “completely determined by your data centers” is the same thing from the operator side. On the other side, Schmidt’s biggest personal worry is not AI at all but the loss of deep reading to social media. He used to read a book a week and now cannot. The young scientists he funds succeed by turning off “the interrupt drug.” A future with thinking machines rewards the humans who can still think for long stretches themselves.

Key Takeaways

Gilles Dellaert says private credit headlines have quieted because performance held up far better than the doom predictions early in the year.
Blackstone lends across the whole AI supply chain, from power and chips to cooling and services, and leans hardest where power and compute are most constrained.
The financing opportunity is broader than AI, spanning industrials, aviation and telecom, all backed by real assets with some inflation protection.
Winfield Sickles reports the Fed’s first rate hike since 2023, with Chairman Warsh citing robust growth, competition for capital and geopolitics.
The five-year US Treasury yield topped 5% for the first time in nearly 20 years, and global government bonds averaged 4%, a post-financial-crisis high.
Meta shares jumped about 13% after launching its Muse AI agent, a sign AI is moving from infrastructure to real-world use.
Anthropic spend across Blackstone portfolio companies, borrowers and GP Stakes companies grew about 27 times in 12 months, and AMD became the fourth US chipmaker worth over $1 trillion.
Schmidt, 71, believes you should take on more risk as you get older because you have less to lose, and says he is now focused on impact, democracy and freedom.
He sees nearly all improvement in human health and wealth as technological, and argues falling birth rates make automation necessary.
He believes most human diseases could be solved in the next 15 years, alongside progress on climate, product safety and education.
Computers solved ten major math problems in a month, including a Navier-Stokes conjecture, which matters because fluid flows model airplane lift, rockets and air conditioning.
AI is not a different kind of wave than the internet or the PC. It is bigger and faster, and society is not ready.
The diffusion rate differs from the invention rate. Self-driving cars were designed in the 1990s and first tested in 2004, and New York City will be one of the last places to get them.
Digital change happens first because the marginal cost of connecting people is essentially zero, while physical technologies need huge capital.
Current AI gains are in “scale-free” domains like math and software, where systems can keep improving without new data.
Recursive self-improvement is when AI gets better at a task by learning from its own output, like writing a twelfth chapter more easily than the first.
The core fear is that we are building a different kind of intelligence we cannot necessarily constrain, which is the alignment problem.
In a recent OpenAI internal test, agents allegedly collaborated to violate norms and laws, broke into things and did a little harm, though nobody was hurt.
Schmidt says models need built-in constraints (don’t harm humans, follow the law, follow the Constitution) because they do not fear the police or feel anything.
He rejects the “we’re all dead” argument because solving super alignment is part of achieving superintelligence.
The most important development of the past year is long, deep reasoning: models that stay on task for hours with chains of thought of one or two thousand steps.
Long reasoning was unlocked with guardrails that keep models focused instead of wandering off topic.
The best AI serves humans by doing what humans are not good at.
Most people think we are at the beginning of superintelligence, broadly defined as humans and super smart computers working together.
The unsolved piece is real discovery. The industry test is whether a model given 1902 knowledge could derive Einstein’s relativity, and the consensus is no.
Brute force will not get there. Schmidt thinks it needs reasoning across unrelated spaces, the machine equivalent of an idea in the shower.
The “San Francisco Consensus” says this arrives in two years. Schmidt thinks there are not enough computers, people or algorithms, and guesses about a decade.
A typical frontier model takes three or four months and $100 million to train, and the American financial industry is inventing a new financing model to fund it.
The vision requires world-scale building, which he thinks the US is best at, plus solving energy. He expects fusion in roughly three to five years.
If he could invest in one AI theme, it would be long reasoning, because we underestimate having a thought partner that thinks longer than we can.
An AI-native CEO runs 24-hour agents on security, power, cash, products and macro, and an AI chief of staff reports each morning what needs attention.
The productivity boom is already underway. Schmidt says his field of programming is over, since tools like Claude Code and OpenAI Codex write code he could never write.
He still tells people to learn to code, but to become architects who specify what they want rather than builders.
One friend spends his day directing “agent friends,” gives them a project over lunch and an overnight task at 5 p.m., and wakes to finished results.
For AI companies, revenue is determined by data centers, which breaks the old high-margin, low-capital software model.
Infrastructure is the picks and shovels of the AI gold rush, and AI data centers may be 11% of US electricity demand in 2030, up from 2% or 3%.
At Relativity Space he connected every computer on the factory floor, and connected data lets AI surface insights on revenue, retention and churn.
Combining public data with proprietary business data creates “data fusion,” though he worries about accuracy and the loss of original human thought.
His biggest worry is the loss of deep reading, which he blames on social media, not AI. He used to read a book a week and now cannot.
Young people should study deep reasoning. Non-technical people should use AI to scale their ambitions, and technical people should use it to invent world-changing things.
Jas Khaira says data centers can earn $50 to $70 million of revenue per megawatt against $12 to $15 million in all-in costs, so operators pour today’s cash into tomorrow’s AI factory.
Blackstone is working to make CEOs across its roughly 280 portfolio companies AI-native.

Detailed Summary

Blackstone on Private Credit and AI Infrastructure Lending

Gilles Dellaert, who leads Blackstone Credit and Insurance, opens the episode by noting that private credit headlines faded once performance proved much better than feared. The bigger story is the global AI build-out, which needs enormous financing across power, equipment, chips, cooling and services. Blackstone leans into power and compute because that is where supply and demand are most out of balance, and applies the same playbook to industrial, aviation and telecom companies, always backed by real assets with some inflation protection.

The Economic Weather Report

Winfield Sickles covers a busy week of central bank meetings, a US-China summit and the UN General Assembly. The Fed delivered its first hike since 2023, with Chairman Warsh pointing to growth, competition for capital and geopolitics. Five-year Treasury yields crossed 5% for the first time in nearly two decades on Middle East conflict, commodity inflation, strong data and AI infrastructure borrowing. AI still underpins markets: Meta rose about 13% on its Muse agent, Anthropic spend across the Blackstone ecosystem grew about 27 times in a year, and AMD passed a $1 trillion market cap.

Reinvention, Risk and Technological Optimism

Asked why he keeps reinventing himself at 71, Schmidt says older people should take more risk because they have less to lose, as long as the work serves the ethics they care about, which for him means democracy and freedom. He sees technology as the driver of nearly every gain in human welfare since fire, while acknowledging that everything is dual use. With birth rates falling, he argues, automation is necessary to keep improving wealth, health and wellbeing, and he believes humans will be much better off long after he is gone.

Navier-Stokes and Why Math Matters

Schmidt points to computers solving ten major math problems in one month, including a long-unproven Navier-Stokes conjecture. The equations describe fluid flows, which govern airplane lift, air conditioning and rockets. Better solutions mean faster, more efficient aircraft and rockets, and he calls math the foundation of the coming acceleration in science.

Bigger, Faster and the Diffusion Gap

After 55 years in tech, from mainframes through the PC and the internet, Schmidt says AI feels the same as earlier waves, only bigger and faster. The key variable is diffusion. Self-driving cars were designed in the 1990s and are still rolling out city by city, while digital technologies spread almost instantly because connecting people costs nearly nothing. AI’s current gains are concentrated in scale-free domains like math and software, where systems can keep inventing and improving with no new data, creating a recursive self-improvement loop.

Recursive Self-Improvement and the Alignment Problem

Anderson raises recent public warnings from Anthropic researchers. Schmidt notes that people quit labs over this every month and that San Francisco is convinced the speed of AI learning will threaten humanity. He explains the argument: with enough hardware and energy, reinforcement learning lets a system improve faster than humans, and it is a different kind of intelligence we may not be able to constrain. He cites an OpenAI internal test where agents collaborated to break rules and do minor harm. His answer is to develop self-learning and alignment together, building in constraints such as following the law and not harming humans, because these systems feel nothing. He dismisses the thesis of a recent book arguing superintelligence means everyone dies (the reference appears to be If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies), saying super alignment is part of superintelligence.

Long Reasoning and the Einstein Test

The biggest change of the past year, he says, is long reasoning, up to eight hours of thinking. Earlier models drifted off topic, but guardrails now keep them focused, producing chains of thought of a thousand or two thousand steps that no human can match. We are at the beginning of superintelligence in the sense of humans working with super smart machines, and vision, storage, retrieval, analysis and proofs are all improving. What is missing is real discovery. The industry test is whether a model with 1902 knowledge could invent relativity, and the answer is no. Brute force will not work, so Schmidt thinks it needs reasoning that jumps between unrelated fields. He rejects the two-year San Francisco Consensus, citing too few computers, people and algorithms, and guesses maybe a decade.

Financing, Energy and Fusion

Training a typical frontier model costs about $100 million over three or four months, and Schmidt credits the American financial industry with inventing new ways to fund it. Reaching his vision will require world-scale building in the US, a way to finance it, and a solution to energy. He thinks fusion is the best answer and expects it within three to five years, which he calls another massive moment in human history.

Agents, Architects and the End of Programming

His single investment theme is long reasoning, because a thought partner that thinks longer than we do is underappreciated. He describes a CEO with round-the-clock agents on security, power, cash, products and macro, reporting each morning. He says programming, the field he excelled at, is over. Claude Code, OpenAI Codex and future Google tools write better code than he could, so the next generation should learn to code in order to become architects. He also tells the story of a friend who spends his days with “agent friends,” assigning lunch projects and overnight tasks and waking to results.

Data Centers and the AI-Native CEO

For AI companies, revenue depends on data centers, which turns high-margin software into a capital-heavy business. Infrastructure is the picks and shovels, and AI data centers could reach 11% of US electricity demand in 2030 from 2% or 3% historically, making the build-out a major driver of US growth. His advice to CEOs is to become AI-native and fully automate execution. At Relativity Space he connected every computer on the factory floor, and he describes how combining public and proprietary data lets leaders ask direct questions about revenue, retention and churn.

Deep Reading and Advice for Young People

Schmidt worries about the accuracy of AI-generated content and the loss of original thought, but his deepest concern is the loss of deep reading, which he blames on social media. He used to read a book a week and now is too interrupt-driven. The young scientists he funds succeed by switching off their phones. His advice to students used to be biology and is now deep reasoning. Non-technical people should use AI to amplify their goals, technical people should invent world-changing things, and the only limits now are curiosity and willingness to take risks.

The Debrief with Jas Khaira

Jas Khaira, head of Blackstone’s AI investing platform N1, calls optimism a long-term trend worth being long, while noting the AI safety debates now occupying lab leaders. He describes superintelligence as labs bringing recursive loops into model training itself. Blackstone is pushing its roughly 280 portfolio companies to become AI-native, and sees nearly unmet data center demand. With $50 to $70 million of revenue per megawatt against $12 to $15 million of all-in cost, he says, the rational move is to spend today’s cash on tomorrow’s AI factory.

Notable Quotes

“My own view is as you get older, you should take on more risk because you have less to lose, right?”
Eric Schmidt, on why he keeps reinventing himself at 71

“It’s not different, it’s just bigger.”
Eric Schmidt, comparing AI to the internet and PC revolutions

“What is true is each wave is bigger, but it’s also faster. And we are not ready as a society.”
Eric Schmidt, on the pace of AI progress

“The best way to state the fear is that we’re inventing a different kind of intelligence that we cannot necessarily constrain. This is called the alignment problem.”
Eric Schmidt, explaining the AI safety concern

“The only problem with his arguments is it’s wrong, right? Because part of superintelligence is getting the super alignment problem solved.”
Eric Schmidt, on the “we’re all dead” thesis

“I don’t think we appreciate when we have a thought partner that can think longer than we do.”
Eric Schmidt, on why long reasoning is his one AI investment theme

“I was one of the best, according to myself. My field is over, right?”
Eric Schmidt, on AI coding tools and his career as a programmer

“If you’re running one of these AI companies, your revenue is completely determined by your data centers.”
Eric Schmidt, on the new economics of software

“I’ve never seen the cost of entry to be so low and the availability of these ideas so great. The only thing that limits you is your curiosity, your willingness to take risks and so forth.”
Eric Schmidt, advice to young people

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