Robert Greene on the Sublime: Why Everything Is Amazing and No One Is Happy

Robert Greene, author of The 48 Laws of Power, tells My First Million why modern life feels flat and how his new book on the sublime aims to bring back a sense of awe. In episode 881, hosts Shaan Puri and Sam Parr ask him about phone addiction, the stroke that nearly killed him eight years ago, writing The Law of the Sublime by hand, what AI will do to the human mind, near-death experiences, and where charisma really comes from.

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Greene argues that people are suffering from the narrowness of their experience: a life lived through a phone is programmed by algorithms, not felt firsthand, and external stimulation always leaves you wanting more. His cure is the sublime, a sense of awe you can find by going outside without your phone, measuring yourself against the impossible, and slowing down. The second half turns to power and people: why you should say less and disappear sometimes, why he fears AI will erode patience and thinking, what his near-death experience showed him about how the brain builds reality, and why the most charismatic people are often broken in ways nobody envies.

Thoughts

Greene’s warning about AI carries more weight than the usual hand-wringing because of how he made the book he is promoting. His fear is specific: being able to write an essay and read a 400-page book is an essential skill, and a generation that hands both to a machine never builds the discipline to put a thought on paper, edit it and change it. A few minutes later he explains that after his stroke he could not type, so he wrote The Sublime in one notebook, rewrote it word for word into a second while editing, repeated that four or five times, dictated it, hand-edited printouts, and finally edited on a computer with one hand. About 120 notebooks over seven years. That is not nostalgia for pen and paper. It is the clearest possible demonstration of his claim that the struggle is where the thinking happens. You can disagree with his forecast (he predicts lawyers will be “decimated” and expects public resentment to cap data centers), but the underlying point holds up: a tool that removes all friction also removes the part of the work that changes you.

The charisma section quietly undercuts the self-help version of the subject. Greene says confidence is by far the most charismatic quality and that it cannot be faked, because fake confidence reads as bravado. But his research also finds that a huge share of charismatic people, from Marilyn Monroe to Churchill to Malcolm X, came from abandonment or abuse and turned to the public for the love they never got at home. Shaan Puri then makes the best move of the episode by turning it on himself: a coach’s personality test scored him off the charts on narcissism, and he admits the podcast is partly a twice-weekly request to be seen as special. Greene agrees that this is an addiction to attention, and it is the same mechanism he blames on phones in the first half: stimulation that comes from outside and always needs a fresh dose. Read together, the two halves of the conversation say that wanting charisma and wanting a better feed are versions of the same hunger, and that the only durable kind comes from a cause you actually feel.

Greene is also refreshingly blunt that greatness and goodness are separate questions. Steve Jobs was “the worst manager in the world” and a genius, Kobe Bryant channelled childhood anger into fierceness, and we should stop expecting every great person to be a paragon. Then, asked who checks both boxes, he names his former researcher Ryan Holiday and Oklahoma City Thunder coach Mark Daigneault, a young G League coach who endured several losing seasons, kept faith in his system and won a title. His explanation ties back to Mastery: Daigneault pairs strategic originality (sending players after offensive rebounds when the league thought it reckless) with real empathy for young, rich, ego-driven players. Brilliance without social skill neutralizes itself. That is a more useful model than either the saint or the tyrant.

The power advice is classic Greene and still underused: say less than necessary, because power is about absence and presence. He tells celebrities who feel they must post constantly that they can disappear for a week and it will not kill them, and he points to his own feed, which carries interviews with practical value and nothing about breakfast, travel or his cats. Sam Parr’s example, Josh Kushner, who barely uses social media and lets his moves speak, fits neatly. The tension worth noticing is that Greene is everywhere right now promoting the book. His answer is that presence works because it alternates with absence, not that you should vanish.

The ending is the best argument for why the book exists at all. Shaan jokes that the market of people searching for a book about the sublime is close to zero and says he envies Greene’s artistic courage. Greene concedes some readers wanted 48 Laws part two, then gives his rule: write for what you need to express, not for what the market says will sell, because the excitement you feel transfers to the reader. Coming from a man who spent seven years writing by hand after nearly dying, it does not sound like a slogan.

Key Takeaways

Greene’s new book grew out of the stroke he survived eight years ago. His wife called 911 within seconds; he says 30 seconds later and he would have died or had severe brain damage.
His diagnosis of the moment: people suffer from the narrowness of their experience, much of it lived through a phone and programmed by other people and algorithms, which leaves a sense of powerlessness.
He notes that heavy drinking and smoking in earlier eras were their own antidepressants, so he will not claim this age is uniquely miserable. The new element is technology rewiring the brain and the fear of AI out of control.
His first prescription: go into nature with your phone locked in a drawer, ideally with a friend who also left theirs behind, so your attention is forced outward.
Adults feel flat because external stimulation always leaves you wanting more. Even a trip to Bali fails if you bring your schedules and Instagram feed with you. Fulfillment has to come from your own experience.
The chapter “measure yourself against the immense and the impossible” uses the 1972 Andes crash survivor Nando Parrado, who climbed out of the mountains to get home to his father, to show that purpose unlocks powers people do not know they have.
Greene says his own purpose was to write the 48 Laws after 60 bad jobs, and then, after the stroke, to write one more large book. Without that sense of mission he says he would never have finished.
Lesson one of a hypothetical Greene power course: say less than necessary and learn to withdraw. Lesson two: never outshine the master and know who you are dealing with.
On AI he calls himself a born pessimist: humans built it, so the dark side of human nature (scams, weapons, laziness) will use it, and it may destroy the patience needed to learn anything.
He says about 85% of near-death experiences are positive and roughly 15% hellish, and that the strongest lesson of his own was that the brain constructs the reality you see.
Mythic leadership is missing from politics. For Greene the American myth is builders and practical people with a pioneer spirit, and JFK was the first president to master television charisma.
Charisma is mostly confidence plus inner intensity, often anger. 50 Cent’s came from surviving being shot nine times. It can be taught only to a degree.
Greene’s rule for creative work: write what you need to express and you will find an audience, even if it is not the biggest one.

Chapters

0:00 People Are Suffering From a Narrow Experience

Shaan notes that Greene’s earlier books are about control while this one is about letting go and being small. Greene says it comes from nearly dying: people are disconnected from each other, from their environment and from themselves, and the book is a practical guide to feeling the awe of being alive without having to nearly die first.

2:00 Everything Is Amazing and No One Is Happy

Starting from the Louis C.K. bit, the hosts ask whether this era is really worse. Greene points out that past generations were drunk on ale and martinis, but argues phones are new: an experience programmed by others, and a brain built to learn and conquer being trained to expect everything fast and easy. He describes hikers in a beautiful Los Angeles park staring at Instagram as a kind of mental illness.

10:45 Go Outside and Leave the Phone Behind

His advice is to go into nature cold turkey, phone locked in a drawer. He had planned to travel the world for the book, but the stroke trapped him in one room for seven years, so he found the sublime in the sky, his pets, his wife and the strangeness that science reveals. Each chapter ends with exercises, including one to recapture a child’s sense of time.

14:20 Why Adults Feel Flat

The mind is a restless organ that needs constant stimulation, and it can get it from outside or from within. External stimulation, from streaming to a beach in Bali, leaves you empty and hungry for more. Experiences that are your own, such as love, a bond with an animal or a hard physical climb, satisfy without the addiction.

18:00 The Immense and the Impossible

Greene tells the story of the Uruguayan rugby team’s crash in the Andes and Nando Parrado’s climb over a mountain experienced climbers called impossible. Sam brings up The Escape Artist, about a rare escape from Auschwitz, and Greene connects it to Viktor Frankl’s Man's Search for Meaning: survivors had something to live for. He then describes his own sense of purpose, from 60 bad jobs to the 48 Laws to this book.

29:35 Say Less Than Necessary, Then Disappear

Asked what a power course would teach first, Greene says to talk less and learn to withdraw, then to respect other people’s egos. He keeps his private life off social media, tells celebrities they can vanish for a week, and cites Beyoncé’s long silences. Sam offers Josh Kushner as a case study in quiet mystique.

35:30 Robert’s AI Prediction and the Handwritten Book

Greene expects public resentment to shape AI through regulation, and drawing on The Laws of Human Nature, fears its misuse by the dark side of human nature and its effect on young minds. He says he never used AI for research beyond small facts, then describes writing the book across about 120 notebooks and editing with one hand.

41:25 Surviving Near-Death Experiences

The book’s last chapter covers the “death sublime.” Greene recommends Susan Blackmore’s Dying to Live and says a dying brain stops constructing familiar reality. After his coma the sky looked incandescent, a feeling that still returns in waves. He compares it to psychedelics, says he fears death less, and begs Sam not to envy a stroke.

49:20 Mythical Leaders

Greene describes conversations with Tim Ryan about a cross-party vision after Ryan’s Senate loss, and argues politicians need something more mythic than a list of policies. JFK modeled his television presence on Hollywood and won the Nixon debate on screen. Shaan cites Conor McGregor and Jaylen Brown’s “the energy is about to shift,” and Greene notes that sports, unlike business and politics, has a scoreboard.

59:10 Brimming With Confidence

Drawing on The Art of Seduction and The 50th Law, Greene ties charisma to confidence and to troubled childhoods, with Churchill, Malcolm X and Marilyn Monroe as examples. After Shaan’s narcissism confession, he argues great people need not be nice, praises Ryan Holiday and Mark Daigneault, and closes with his rule for creative work: write what you need to express.

Notable Quotes

“We put limits on what we think we can do. But there are actually no limits.”
Robert Greene, on the lesson of Nando Parrado’s climb out of the Andes

“Power is about absence and presence. If you’re always present, people take you for granted.”
Robert Greene, on the first lesson he would teach in a course on power

“You can disappear for a week. It’s not going to kill you.”
Robert Greene, on his advice to celebrities who feel they must post constantly

“Being able to write an essay and read a 400-page book is absolutely an essential skill in the 21st century.”
Robert Greene, on what he fears AI will do to young minds

“Your brain is constructing what you consider to be reality.”
Robert Greene, on what his near-death experience taught him

“You can’t fake confidence. You can, but people will read through it because it comes just as bravado.”
Robert Greene, on whether charisma can be taught

“I think we have to get over this notion that being great and powerful also makes you a wonderful, loving, kind person.”
Robert Greene, on Kobe Bryant, Steve Jobs and the gap between greatness and goodness

Watch the full conversation with Robert Greene on My First Million here.